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Post  Theterrainstudio on Fri May 03, 2013 9:41 pm

SS-Panzergrenadierkampfgruppe HQ (Wiking)
2 Cmd Panzerfaust SMG team
3 Sd Kfz 251/1
2 Panzerschreck team

Gepanzerte SS-Panzergrenadier Platoon (Wiking)
1 Cmd MG team
6 MG team
4 Sd Kfz 251/1

Gepanzerte SS-Panzergrenadier Platoon (Wiking)
1 Cmd MG team
6 MG team
4 Sd Kfz 251/1

SS-Heavy Platoon (Wiking)
4 MG42 HMG
2 8cm GW34 mortar
2 Sd Kfz 251/9 (7.5cm)

SS-Scout Platoon (Wiking)
4 MG/PF teams (non-recce)

SS-Scout Platoon (Wiking)
4 MG/PF teams (non-recce)

Armoured SS-Artillery Battery (Trained)
6 Wespe

Armoured Heavy SS-Artillery Battery (Trained)
4 Hummels

Total: 1780


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Post  Timbo on Sat May 04, 2013 1:39 am

That's a lot of artillery. I guess you could use them as ad-hoc assault guns if need be. A dozen breakthrough guns is no laughing matter. It does looks a little light on anti-tank. The thing about taking two full platoons of artillery is that if your opponent spreads out all of his stuff he's nullifying 2 of your platoons rather than one. That's kind of why I don't like taking artillery+air. However if the rest of your list can take advantage of the fact that you've forced him to spread out then you might be okay.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sat May 04, 2013 2:10 am

The list as written doesn't really explain its function well. There is also two options for the list. I will write them here to show how the army deploys. ON table is 4 platoons.

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Post  Timbo on Sat May 04, 2013 3:42 am

Is it auto-attack?

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sat May 04, 2013 4:55 am

negative.

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Post  Timbo on Sat May 04, 2013 11:30 am

So how does it deploy if you're defending? Is that the idea? 4 large platoons on and 4 tiny platoons off?

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sat May 04, 2013 12:05 pm

No defending, you run 6 platoons. KG two stands from a scout platoon, giving you two platoons of two stands, so you hold them off plus 1 arty.

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Post  Timbo on Sun May 05, 2013 3:04 am

So what does all of the killing then when you're defending? Just the trained medium arty? I'm not seeing it. I'd like to see you use the list to get a better idea of how it works. It seems to me like an attacking list with lots of flamethrowers or breakthrough guns could cause problems.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 8:35 am

I cannot say for sure Tim that the list will work well against all lists. Typically BTG will be in range 24" so the direct fire ability of the 6 Wespes and 4 Hummels which I have in my latest variant should be able to deal with them. Incredible bombardments and the direct fire will certainly deal with anything from light to heavy tanks (in theory). I honestly don't see an assault happening in the first 3-4 turns - due to the AT ability. I think the list will perform, will it be a winner or the strongest list out there - that I cannot say. This was designed to be a fun list to play and give some variation in my own game - using units I never use. This could backfire horribly.....end of the day this is a game, fun to play either way.

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Post  Timbo on Sun May 05, 2013 6:40 pm

It's definitely interesting, and like you say makes use of units that don't see a lot of play. I worry about the survivability of your artillery if you try to use them in the direct fire role. And IIRC Hummels can't ambush within 16"? I agree noone will be assaulting those blobs of infantry early in the game. They will take time to wear down for sure. Like I said, I'd like to see it in action. Free for all, encounter and dust-up will be interesting for you also.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 6:50 pm

I have a US infantry list I might attempt as well. I did a few mech. Got a few tanks. Want to give the infantry a go.

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Re: New German List

Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 7:15 pm

I thought if you attach all of the scout pltn out you lose the command stand. Do I have this wrong?

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 7:42 pm

You do. I was saying to attach two to a KG, keeping the other 3 as a platoon, and likewise with another scout giving a team to each combat platoon, then I would have a few small platoons.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 8:03 pm

Sorry, must be right. I'm just lost on how you are doing it. Is that Grey Wolf?

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 8:06 pm

Its not super clear.

Looking at just the scouts.

They are 5 stands (motorcycles) - recce
You can make them non-recce with the rules - replace with 5 stands of MG/PF

I will then take 2 stands (leaving 3) - and make a KG, I will then attach the other one (or two) stands - if I attach two I lose the command team.

Make sense now.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 8:09 pm

There is only 4 stands in the scout pltn in grey wolf.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 8:24 pm

ummmm.

so it is...not sure I think I had two easy army pages open.

So the KG can take one, and combat attach the other. Same effect.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 8:33 pm

The way I read it is you will be able to kampgruppe 1 of them from the pltn in weapons and attach 1 from each of the pltns unless you want to lose the pltns all together.

I have tried to build a list with the scouts and found they cost to much for what they add.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 8:35 pm

These ones are nice because they are MG/PF without the added costs.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 8:48 pm

If you arty stays hidden you should do alright, but if you can't hide them they won't last long. Also being mech it won't be that much fun attacking into infantry companies.

You should take a look at SS-Freiwilligen on page 38 of grey wolf. I think it would work better for the style of play you are going for.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 8:54 pm

will take a look - I am not to worried about this list for events. I wont be using it for that. I am running my KG Peiper.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 9:42 pm

Thought I would post the list I use from SS-Friewillinger for an example. It's a lot of fun to play.

HQ+2 schrecks 90
1) SMG/faust +6 MGs 175 (attach 1 pak+2 schrecks)
2) SMG/faust +2 MG/fausts +4 MGs 205 (attach 2 HMGs+ 1 pak)
3) SMG/faust +2 MG/fausts +4 MGs 205 (attach 2 HMGs+ 1 pak)
4 HMGs 120
3 PaK 40s 135
4) 4 8cm mortars 115 (2iC takes 2 for 8th pltn)
5) 2 8-rads 70
6) 4 15cm artillery 275 ( hits like vets)
7) 4 RSOs 225
Von Saucken 65
Ju 87D Stuka 100
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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 10:22 pm

Almost thinking some Czechs or Finnish. Not nearly enough minor factions played around here.

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Post  Brian M on Sun May 05, 2013 11:15 pm

True enough. I know little to nothing about them. Happy hunting.

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Post  Theterrainstudio on Sun May 05, 2013 11:55 pm

I will have a look at your German list. My goal right now is to off load my German EW and German MW, and then start filling in units for German LW forces. I want to run a bunch of different things, just attempting to round out my game even more. Get used to using new units.

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